That just leaves Percival and Kendra Dumbledore. Maybe Grindelwald was lying? This whole theory is based on the what you believe to be true. ), or hell maybe make her alive and pin the final nail in the "let's ruin Albus's entire motivations and regrets" coffin, who the hell knows. Guess what? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. SIGH, From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.”, Also: “During a fit when she was fourteen years old, Ariana caused a magical explosion that killed her mother.”. One puzzling question hanging in the air as we wait for the next film is whether Albus knew that Credence/Aurelius was his brother. No one did. Is Credence really Albus Dumbledore’s brother? The escape goat part killed me. This will actually most likely get buried because it’s not going to a long-winded theory with lots of evidence. At most he thinks he lost it in the chaos. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. Grindelwald lied to him by saying Dumbledore is his brother and that he seeks to destroy him, to get Credence to seek revenge against him and kill him. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a father figure to Credence. I agree though, the reveal on who Creedance really is, is going to be rather lackluster. Credence's earliest year of birth (as listed on the wiki) is 1899, and Kendra was killed in the summer of that same year. But then Grindelwald calls him Albus' brother. Percival was sent to Or is there a theory? 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We don’t know who killed her. Fantastic Beasts Theory: Credence ISN'T A [SPOILER] In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, Gellert Grindelwald could actually be lying to Credence Barebone about his supposed true identity. Creedance is the son of Albus, who did not know he fathered a son. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. Press J to jump to the feed. But still possible considering. That means either he knows Albus had a brother by the name of Aurelius or he just made the whole thing up. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. If Credence is Dumbledore’s full blood brother, then the very youngest he could be, according to he established canonical timeline of the Harry Potter universe, is 36 years old. This is where Rowling thinks she’s a secret genius: The worst part, when he finally finds her in the last film she will help him to understand his Obscurial-ness. Simply, apparently no. At the end of the movie, once Credence joins up with Grindelwald (Johnny Depp), Grindelwald tells him that his true name is Aurelius Dumbledore. So yeah, Dumbledore apparently has a brother, and that brother is Credence. What she needs is an editor who will tell her “this may work for a book, but this isn’t gonna fly for a movie”, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. The dude is obviously lying and he is not his brother. The Dumbledores originally lived in Mould-on-the-Wold, but moved to Godric's Hollow after Percival Dumbledore was sent to Azkaban for attacking Muggles; he did not inform the authorities that his actions were in retaliation for the Muggles' traumatising attack on his daughter, Ariana. It makes sense. This going to be straight and to the point. Grindelwald cannot possibly know that the pact-vial was given to Albus. Wiki: “Ariana died when she was accidentally struck by a curse in a three-way duel between her older brothers and Gellert Grindelwald.”. I believe that, if this is the case, Kendra must have had an affair and given birth to Credence; while Albus and Aberforth were away at school, Ariana was the only one around to discover the secret, and without her brothers around to calm her, she killed her mother by accident. he literally can’t be. The ship's voyage was in 1901 and so the wiki is now saying that is probably when he was born. 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I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a I don't think Credence was ever intended to be thought of as a brother (but I don't blame people, the plot was super confusing). Credence is a Dumbledore. However, Aurelius is an entirely new Dumbledore, and it’s hard to imagine how on earth he could even be distantly Grindelwald certainly could be flat out lying, but that'd be a bit too Last Jedi for me :P "you're not a Dumbledore, you're nobody". At the end of the second film in the new series, Gellert Grindelwald (played by Johnny Depp) tells Ezra Miller’s Credence Barebone that he is actually Albus Dumbledore’s brother, Aurelius. If he really is telling the truth, it’s likely to be confirmed in later movies, but for now it’s early to think Credence is actually Dumbledore’s long-lost brother - he still might It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. OK this had me laughing for a while. Credence was 18 years old in the first movie set in 1926, so he was born around 1908, and Dumbledore is 45 years old in The Crimes of Grindelwald, set in 1927. (just an opinion though). I seriously doubt Percival would have remarried - everything he did, he did for the safety of his family, and he could have easily told the truth about Ariana's situation and gotten a reduced sentence. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. You gave 3 possbilities, but those aren't the only 3. The short answer is no - Kendra was killed in June of 1899, and, again, Credence/Aurelius wasn't born until 1901 at the earliest, so it's not possible that Kendra is his mother. Which means that it doesn't seem possible is Credence/Aurelius is Dumbledore's brother. His brother, Aberforth, appears in Harry Potter and the … Creedance is not blood related to Dumbledore, but instead hosts her Obscurus. If Credence is Dumbledore's maternal half-brother, the youngest he could be is 28.) Now here's what I'm thinking, sometime between 1899 and 1901... she became pregnant (a teen pregnancy yes, I know, but it does happen, I'm really not sure why people are saying it's impossible just because she was approximately only 15 or 16, in fact teen pregnancies were quite a common problem in England during the time of the first Harry Potter books being written). That's really just the beginning of her tragedies. The film´s producer said Credence will come back as a major player, and will have significantly bigger role in the following movies than Newt Scamander Doesn’t it say there was a body at her funeral...in the book. I will be really disappointed otherwise. Lots of exposition revealed through dialogue. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} Ariana was an Obscurial, thus creating an Obscurus. Harry's kid doesn't have a scar on his forehead because he inherited the scar-on-the-forehead gene from his dad, because that's not how GD genetics work. There's absolutely no way he could have known about Credence's heritage if Percival was the father, and if Grindelwald was able to learn of Credence's birth if Kendra was the mother, then so should Albus and everyone else in Godric's Hollow. Grindelwald, wanting to help Albus escape his guardianship of Ariana, fakes her death, maybe wipes her memory, and ships her off to who-knows-where (probably this one, so we can scapegoat the bad guy), Dumbledore, knowing she will be more safe and out of the way, and for his own ambitions, ships her off and fakes her death (too dark), Aberforth, fearing Grindelwald will hurt her one day, and because he loves goats so much, helps her escape to protect her (escape goat), Either way…she gets shipped off and SHE’S STILL ALIVE SIGH. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} She's probably building up to some sort of luke/vadar moment at the end of the fourth movie. This is an open area. The Phoenix was always a part of the plan, and was just a tool to convince Creedance further. Can someone explain how credence can be Dumbledore’s brother?? I like this and all, but Grindelwald says "Your brother seeks to kill you," referring to Albus, to Credence at the big reveal. This doesn't make sense. SIGH. I could see this being true if he just told Credence he is a Dumbledore, but he told him he's Aurelius Dumbledore. Just like Credence from the trauma of his whole life situation. The big secret that Rowling has been sitting on for all these years, Ariana is an Obscurial. He tells Credence that his “brother” has been trying to stop him, implying that his brother is Albus Dumbledore. If Credence was a consequent of the blood pact, then he could be considered Dumbledore’s flesh and blood and from that perspective, his “brother.” And he would also be Grindelwald’s flesh and blood as well. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} Later in the film, Leta corrects everyone's assumption that Credence is her younger half-brother Corvus by revealing that he died during a trip to America with the family midwife. percival was sent to azkaban where he then died in 1890, kendra died in 1889 and credence wasn’t born until 1901. I like this theory, somehow it makes sense? Aurelius Dumbledore is the lost brother of Albus Dumbledore, revealed by Gellert Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald”. As such, he may have carried his sentence until after the death of his wife and daughter, and gone into self-imposed exile; after that, he may have remarried and had Credence, making Albus his half-brother. At this point, she's set it up to be really cliche. Do you agree with me that Credence is the son of Percival Dumbledore? The proof, he says, is in the phoenix chick who came to Credence in his hour of … First, as a Lestrange it’s moist popular theory is that arianna's obscurus now resides in credence. Agreed actually, it seems so obvious considering how grindelwald manipulated evened in the movie, This is what I thought watching the film, but I’ve grown to fancy the idea that Ariana’s obscurity resides in Credence, I keep going back to the idea that Grindelwald believes._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} Was Grindelwald telling the truth? Okay, but then, does he just pull the name Aurelius out of his ass? Grindlewald tells Credence that phoenixes always appear to a Dumbledore in their time of need, because HE IS DUMBLEDORE’S BROTHER. I love u/scapetti's theory, as I too have been trying to remind people Credence could be a cousin or some such. Just my opinion that I HOPE is wrong for the sake of the Harry Potter universe. ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%}.isNotInButtons2020 ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{font-size:14px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:32px;text-transform:uppercase} That’s literally where Fantastic Beasts 2 ends, and you may have some questions. SIGH From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.” Grindelwald claims that Credence is a mysterious missing Dumbledore and, given the fact that a phoenix appears to … This would also explain why Grindelwald knows Credence is a Dumbledore and honestly I think this whole thing is very likely to be what that whole three way duel was about. Yeah... no. It's just too important, you'll see. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Given that Grindelwald refers to Albus as Credence's brother, and assuming Grindelwald is telling the truth, then that means Credence can't be Ariana's child, as that would make Albus Credence's uncle. Even the sister (who I think is the mother) would be 15-16 years older than Credence, an age gap that large is more unusual than a teen pregnancy in my opinion. Also, people thought Credence was born in 1904 due to an adoption paper, but no one knew when Credence was born as he was swapped. I know I’m missing something... Dumbledore once sent Harry Potter the Phoenix when Harry was in trouble. I thought that was obvious enough at the end. By nature, the Obscurus takes on properties of its host, essentially becoming part of them. Giphy At this moment, I literally said wtf aloud in the theater. Fantastic Beasts 2 is set in 1927. Plotholes across the board, but mostly he's gay. All this stuff about the aunt being the mother or him not even being real just seems a little crazy. 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None of this also explains how Grindelwald knows about this. In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald, it's theoretically possible that Gellert Grindelwald lied to Credence Barebone about being Aurelius Dumbledore. She’s built for novels, and by Crimes of Grindelwald, you could tell it was a very novel-like plot. As far as we know, Albus Dumbledore only has one brother and one sister. There's so many issues with this movie, I still love it but if it was pushed back 6 months maybe it wouldn't be so flawed. 2. Who is Credence really? 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Ok, so he does say brother, but another theory is Credence is Ariana's son. You had so many chances to spell Credence right . Anyway, for the sake of the series and the fandom I hope the Credence is Dumbledore thing if just Grindelwald bulshit. Is Credence really related to Dumbledore? .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} So for Kendra, we have a very short time frame. This could go against all our canon knowledge – we know Albus Dumbledore only has a brother (Aberforth) and a sister (Ariana), so another sibling could complicate things. Is he Leta's brother? So what do you think? 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