Redemption links and Kindle Books cannot be resold. That is, there wasn't a one-to-one correspondence between metaphysics and ethics. Okay, so yeah, there is the idea of the logos. I think it's fair to say that they were in fact pantheists, broadly speaking. Essentially, you are gaining insight into how your mind creates this fake sense of duality, subject and object, which causes you to react and not maintain equanimity/peace. I don't think we've actually defined the term. Now, it's not indifferent in the sense that you don't literally care about it -- in fact, that's what the Stoics introduced this distinction between preferred and dispreferred indifference. The Stoics have something very similar, but they do arrive at it from a different perspective. But in Western Buddhism...people argue, is anyone truly enlightened—and I've talked to people who consider themselves enlightened—or is it just something you would approach asymptotically and never reach? things that actually are under our control. Stoicism & Western Buddhism: A Reflection on Two Philosophical Ways of Life eBook: Ussher, Patrick: Amazon.com.au: Kindle Store I find both Buddhism and Stoicism very appealing. Approved third parties also use these tools in connection with our display of ads. Stoicism & Western Buddhism: A Reflection on Two Philosophical Ways of Life: Ussher, Patrick: Amazon.com.au: Books Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 31 July 2018. Buddhism has something comparable; the idea is you are born with some degree of confusion about the actual nature of reality and liberation, or just alleviation from suffering, will lie in dispelling the confusion, the ignorance, and getting a clearer view of reality. In my experience, when the first is mentioned or discussed the second is usually brought up. And as you just said a minute ago, if I understood you correctly, the Stoics also did not really make this sharp distinction that we make today, that is often made today in moral philosophy, between self-interest and the interests of others. But it is what you do as a foot, because you're part of a larger organism. They can help you profoundly know yourself from within and project that knowledge outwardly in the form of original experiences. when something happens to you that you don't like and you think “why is this happening to me?”, one of the ways you should put [this] in perspective is [to] think of yourself as an organ of a larger organism. Écouter le livre audio Buddhism and Stoicism de Jack Beasley, narré par Michael Veveiros, Darcey Kobs Stoicism & Western Buddhism A comparison of two philosophical ways of life, Stoicism, the ancient Greco-Roman philosophy, and Buddhism as practised in the West. You can say, “Well, that's the manifestation of the fact that the universe is a living organism that sort of self-organizes.” That's the way in which most of the ancient Stoics interpret it and that's what makes them pantheists. Whatever the case may be, in this book, Jack Beasley shares two pertinent philosophies, Buddhism and Stoicism. Stoicism had what we might call a religious dimension; they were basically pantheistic. Now, I gather that in Stoicism, “sage” is a kind of aspired-to level of attainment that very few people reach. Yeah, I'm just thinking about how that compares to Buddhism. The key difference between Zen Buddhism and Stoicism seems to be whether rationalization or the intellect is embraced or rejected. In order to navigate out of this carousel please use your heading shortcut key to navigate to the next or previous heading. But just because that is in the nature of a social being: you will feel better, you will live in a better environment, that's what you're supposed to be doing because you are a social thing. And sometimes very colorful ones like Diogenes of Sinope who was the guy that Alexander the Great went to see and tried to be sort of magnanimous and said “So I'm Alexander the Great, you're the most famous philosopher, can I do something for you?” and Diogenes famously replied “Well, you can get out of the sun because you're blocking it.”. He thought that...if there is a god, it's out there, it's not doing anything, and we really shouldn't be afraid of punishment after death and all that sort of stuff. Before I read this book, Buddhism seemed too fairy-talish to me. And they make a pretty good case. A good point regarding books about Stoicism is that we have access to original writings from Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire. Stoicism existed in a fairly compact way between the third century BCE and the second century [CE]. Please try your request again later. There are a lot of writings about the Buddha’s philosophy, commentaries by famous monks, sutras, chants, stories, riddles… but there is no Bible or Quran of Buddhist religion. And doing so means understanding what those roles are, understanding how you fit in the rest of the world, particularly in the human world, but also the world in general. Buddhism is commonly considered a religion, while stoicism is not. And then there was basically a hiatus of one and a half millennia or more before modern Stoicism arose. But with that as a caveat... Let me stop you there for a second. Right, so the logos is this idea that the universe is structured in a rational way, that there. So Christianity has original sin: we inherited the sin.. or simply...something not great that goes all the way to Adam and Eve. That has a number of dimensions to it, but one of the dimensions is the idea that the bounds of the self are, in a sense, illusory. In this post, we will consider Buddhism as a philosophy.) Either way, I'd say Buddhism gets there largely through a different path. First of all, the things you do to alleviate your own suffering make you a better person. Particularly Hierocles, who was a Stoic of the late Roman period, came up with this wonderful image of the concentric circles, and the idea was that you can imagine yourself at the center of your own circle of concern. But one of the things that I do like about Stoicism is that, because of the fact that the logos can be interpreted in a number of ways, it is actually a fairly ecumenical philosophy, right. But the way they arrive at it is also via meditation, but in a very different sense and a sort of a meditation based on reflection rather than [something of] a Zen variety. It seemed to offer a practical philosophy of life that was more familiar to me than Buddhism, more rational, and more down-to-earth. They can help you profoundly know yourself from within and project that knowledge outwardly in the form of original experiences. I should say that, of course, Buddhism is so diverse and far-flung, and because it has been a living and geographically spreading tradition ever since 2,500 years ago...you cannot say much about Buddhism generally. When I say it compares with Buddhism, I [also] say you should think about Buddhism as a family of philosophy, or or talk about Buddhism in the plurals, you know, “Buddhisms,” because there's a variety of ways of interpreting it and it has evolved in a number of different ways. Do you want to discover the secrets of the Stoics and Buddhists? I just think that things do happen. “God grant me the courage to change the things I can, serenity to accept the things I can’t, and the wisdom to know the difference”? Over 1 million titles. Those are, according to Epicureanism, inventions that are exploited by other people to make us fear things and do things that we don't necessarily want to do. Buddhism was founded in present-day Nepal around 500 B.C and Stoicism began in Athens, Greece around 300 B.C.They both advocate seeking happiness from an internal source, so that the ups and downs of life will not be your masters. I mean, t not necessarily the self in the sense of an essence of you, but the self as in, you know, you’re recognizably distinct from other beings like you. Epicurus thought that if you if you get yourself involved in social issues and politics, you're definitely going to ask for it, so don't do it, and I don't think that a good human life is acceptable without a social and political involvement. 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