Was this kiss romantic, like tongue? It must be simple sensationalism. Outlander Wiki is a FANDOM Books Community. But Jamie lingered awkwardly a moment, and then, as though suddenly making up his mind to it, stepped forward and bending down, cupped Grey’s face between his hands. ( Log Out /  I'm glad they didn't depict this on the show because I think it would leave a lot of people very confused. Of course, this is not news to everyone who has read “Voyager”. Lord John a besoin de Jamie pour résoudre une affaire de trahison. It is a special moment, a dramatic moment, and important in the relationship between Jamie and John. #DontMessWithJamie Outlander Universe Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. I have no doubt that whomever is cast as John will be up to the challenge. Jamie arrives at Hellwater with Lord John Grey. Jamie Fraser and his wife Claire, her parents, arrived today with word of Roger MacKenzie, to whom she is handfast. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. In fact, earlier in Voyager, we see Jamie share a kiss with another man – this one a friend who is about to be executed after the Jacobites surrendered at Culloden: When it came Ewan’s turn, Jamie struggled to prop himself on his elbows, and grasped his friend’s hand, as hard as he could. “D’ye want it, or no?”. The Casting so far has certainly been spot on, and John is a major character and even has the possibility for spin-offs. His character is one of the most beautifully complex out of the entire series. Page numbers will vary in different editions of the book. The full chronological order, including the Outlander novels, can be found on Diana’s website http://www.dianagabaldon.com/books/chronology-of-the-outlander-series/. I can imagine Sam in this scene. John William Bertram Armstrong Grey was born to Gerard Grey, Duke of Pardloe and Earl of Melton, and his wife Benedicta Grey, née Armstrong. Beck. As he appears in (to my reckoning) the second episode, we should hear shortly. An adult Lord John Grey is named the new governor of the prison in 1755, and the two form an awkward friendship, which is complicated by Grey's unrequited attraction to Jamie. He kissed John to say “Thank you, I love you, and here’s a little something of what you need.”. Affection between two men or two women was not immediately condemned as homosexuality; it was the act of sodomy that was outlawed, not mere association. ( Log Out /  What Lord John Grey’s Surprise Outlander Return Means for Claire and Jamie. Jamie is at the edge of another precipice, here. He laid a light hand on the big Scot’s arm, and saw Jamie brace himself not to flinch at the touch. Here are his wildest moments on the show! Saved by lee lee We can also look at the Lord John Grey novellas, especially Lord John and the Hellfire Club. There was no way the family would want the scandal to get out. It’s an unlikely (and sometimes uncomfortable) friendship; not just due to the unrequited love that John feels for Jamie, but because they are set up to be natural-born enemies — John a servant to the English crown, Jamie an outlaw from the Scottish Highlands. Lord John Grey made his Outlander return, and Caitriona Balfe weighed in on Claire's feelings regarding his unique issue. David Berry could move onto other projects. OUTLANDER season 5 will see Lord John Grey playing more of a role but will the honourable Redcoat finally met someone and have a romance, putting his feeling for Jamie Fraser to one side? Jamie spends three years in Ardsmuir prison alongside Murtagh, but with the renovations to Ardsmuir drawing to an end; Lord John Grey is tasked with transporting the prisoners to the American colonies. “But tempted as I am –“ He shook his head, brushing wet grass from his hands. Jamie is at the edge of another precipice, here. Lord John Grey may not have made his way into Jamie Fraser's heart, but he sure made it into ours. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. In season 4 of Outlander, Lord John Grey returned to, once again, save Jamie (Sam Heughan), Claire (Caitriona Balfe) and their family in more … John Grey had been quite resigned to dying. His uneasy relationship with the new governor, an adult Lord John Grey, evolves into friendship. Lord John Grey's love for Jamie Fraser in Outlander has let to him doing some crazy things. It was due to his “lifestyle choices” During the 18th century, being gay was illegal. Let’s see how it reads: “I should be … grateful, then,” he said, “if you would stand as stepfather to – to my son.” He had likely never spoken the word aloud before, and the sound of it seemed to shock him. Then he leaned across simply and kissed Jamie’s mouth, and rose to go. I suppose you will have a great many things to do today?”, Jamie cleared his throat. Change ), http://www.dianagabaldon.com/books/chronology-of-the-outlander-series/, WHAT TO DO DURING DROUGHTLANDER #1 – GET READY FOR STRANGER THINGS. Grey got to his feet, dusting the seat of his breeches. The kiss that they shared in Voyager was in part a test and in part thanks and farewell on Jamie's part. Jamie would never kiss a man after what happened to him. When the prison is shuttered, Murtagh and the rest of the prisoners are sent to the American colonies as indentured servants, while John paroles Jamie to work at a private estate called Helwater. “I suppose I’m maybe not poisoned.” He turned then and disappeared into the screen of willows, leaving Lord John Grey alone by the mere. Punishment was either death or imprisonment. Watch Outlander with a FREE 7-day trial of Amazon Channels! “Are you actually offering me your body in payment for my promise to look after Willie?”. 2 (Original Television Soundtrack), Outlander: Season 2 (Original Television Soundtrack). If that rape had not occurred, maybe he would have felt differently...we will never know. For Jamie in particular, it can be an act of gratitude, of farewell, of conveying strong feeling when words simply aren't adequate. “Do you really think that I would demand – or accept – any payment for such a service? “Aye, I have. Soon we will have the Behind The Scenes shots, casting announcements and other news but in the meantime, the mighty battle for website hits continues with some interesting headlines. Lord John Grey's commitment to Jamie is so great, he's saved his life on several occasions, and went out of his way more than a few times to make his life easier and happier. He is about to say goodbye to his son, possibly forever, and standing before him is the one link he will have with William – Lord John Grey, whom Jamie has come to respect and value as a friend, over the years. He knew that John Grey was in love with him and desired him sexually. He is about to say goodbye to his son, possibly forever, and standing before him is the one link he will have with William – Lord John Grey, whom Jamie has come to respect and value as a friend, over the years. 0. And while everyone knows that this love comes only from one side, we know there is genuine friendship between the two men. “Oh dear God,” he said at last, wiping his eyes. “In return … If you want …I mean, I would be willing to … that is … “. (Disclaimer that I am definitely not an expert in this area; you can research "romantic friendship" if you're looking for more historical info.). Sooo cute. In the woods, an hour’s ride outside Philadelphia. However, Jamie couldn’t offer himself to John in the way Claire could never do so to Frank after she returned from the past. Similarly, Jamie’s parallel paternal relationship with Fergus (whom he refers to, ... Claire meets Lord John Grey for the first time since his formative encounter with her as a child. Had expected it from the moment that he’d blurted out, “I have had carnal knowledge of your wife.” The only question in his mind had been whether Fraser would shoot him, stab him, or eviscerate him with his bare hands. What makes now the best time to consider it? Although Lord John is … And with all this in mind, and the fact that there are Lord John Grey books, now is a good time for STARZ to consider a Lord John Grey spin-off. Lord John and the Brotherhood of the Blade, "I Give You My Body...": How I Write Sex Scenes, Outlander: Season 1, Vol. I deliberately did NOT single out this moment in my Possible Synopses of Season 3 so far. It’s the bond between Jamie and Lord John Grey. Fraser stood above him, looking down, the morning light silhouetting him, lighting his hair in flames against the pale blue sky. John Grey & Jamie Fraser - All I Want (Outlander) - YouTube “I shall probably want you to the day I die,” he said matter-of-factly. Grey thought he could see a slight twitch of the wide mouth in the darkened face – humour, tempered with a profound relief. We’ve seen Lord John Grey’s love for Jamie, connection to Brianna, and his growing respect for Claire. Jamie assists Lord John in tracking down Gerald Siverly, against whom Grey and his brother have ample evidence of corruption. ( Log Out /  Then it was gone, and John Grey stood blinking in the brilliant sun. Until then, countdown to the casting announcement. Jamie Fraser and Lord John Grey. Grey tugged down the points of his waistcoat, ready to go. 0:16. Maybe it’s being able to understand this that makes Lord John Grey such a likable character, someone many want to see more of. Grey has three elder brothers: Harold \"Hal\" Grey, from his parents' marriage, and Paul and Edgar DeVane, half-brothers from his mother's first marriage. Some of the books appear in anthologies and collections. That touched Jamie’s heart in an unexpected way. Notes: For E.E. Grey looked curiously at him, and saw that his countenance was slowly turning a dark and painful red. Maybe a modern TV audience would have misinterpreted such a scene, which is a shame, but I find I am always strongly moved by it when I reread this passage in the book. Fraser’s face was red to the roots of his hair. Who will play Lord John Grey? I deliberately did NOT single out this moment in my Possible Synopses of Season 3 so far. By Maxine K Novello Feb 07, 2020. “Jamie May Kiss A Man” “Jamie, Lord John Kissing Scene Teased in New Season” “Jamie and Grey to share intimate kiss?” Of course, this is not news to everyone who has read “Voyager”. There was a fleeting impression of tenderness and strength held in check, the faint taste of ale and fresh-baked bread. Sexual, no. Grey suppressed the sudden desire to laugh. (See the end of the work for notes.) Lord John Grey, le troisième mari de Claire — Crédit(s) : Starz. Instead, he reached a hand up and gently touched Jamie’s cheek, fading now to it’s normal pale bronze. Lord John Grey Saves the Day! Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Comment. 1 (Original Television Soundtrack), Outlander: Season 1, Vol. Sexual, no. I suppose I should be about my business.”. David Berry and Sam Heughan in Outlander. Entre Londres et l'Irlande, leur relation plus que tendue au début finira par un début d'amitié emprunt d'u profond respect mutuel. Taking pity on Jamie, Lord John Grey decided to parole him to Helwater instead to serve the Dunsay family, with whom Grey was incredibly close. Related Videos. All this to say that Jamie would not have considered a mere kiss with a man to be a perversion akin to sodomy or pedophilia (which, if you've read Lord John and the Brotherhood of the Blade, you'll know that, in Jamie's mind and perhaps minds of the time in general, homosexuality was strongly associated with pedophilia, a view which unfortunately persists today). Perhaps one of the most loveable characters in the hit series Outlander is Lord John Grey. Intimate, yes. I wish they had showed that kiss on the show because it was very important to both men and to the story line. Grey felt the big hands warm on the skin of his face, light and strong as the brush of an eagle’s feather, and then Jamie Fraser’s soft wide mouth touched his own. Plus, we know that respect began to be built when John refused Jamie when he offered himself to him. As Droughtlander edges closer to the start of filming for Season 3, the rumours, speculation and downright sensationalism ramps up. “You shall have my friendship,” Jamie said softly, “if that has any value to ye.”, “A very great value indeed.” The two men stood silent together for a moment, then Grey sighed and turned to look up at the sun. Photo: Mark Mainz/© 2018 Starz Entertainment, LLC. On en apprend plus sur Minnie, la belle soeur de John. I won't go into Jamie's reasons for offering his body to Lord John (it comes up in A Breath of Snow and Ashes, I think, and Diana has elaborated online, but I don't have those references to hand at this moment), but I think it bears noting that the anxiety that we as a (largely heterosexual) society feel about perceived intimacy between members of the same sex has not always been so prevalent. However, Jamie also saw that John was not like Jack Randell, but a loving, selfless person willing to raise his boy. Jamie knows how Lord John feels about him but doesn't want to hear about it. He asked. Share Share Tweet Email. Lord John is thankful for his broken engagement, and his work is appreciated. Grey eventually paroles Jamie at Helwater, the country estate of the Dunsany family, in 1756. By Mandi Bierly. This particular passage is in italics, with wider margins, as it is a flashback that Lord John is describing to Claire. To have the injured husband regard him calmly, and say merely, “Oh? I read the passage. I mean on which side in the book the kiss is. As a thank you, for both, Jamie gives him a beautiful kiss. If you haven’t read them yet, this is the chronological order Diana recommends: Lord John and the Hellfire Club* (a short story), Lord John and the Private Matter (a novel), Lord John and the Brotherhood of the Blade (a novel), Lord John and the Haunted Soldier* (a novella), Lord John and the Custom of the Army (a novella), The Scottish Prisoner (a novel, featuring Jamie Fraser), Lord John and the Plague of Zombies (a novella), *From a book-length collection “Lord John and the Hand of Devils”. Especially when he has made it so clear how he feels about homosexuality. He has the strength and sensitivity needed to make the scene both poignant and believable. Work Text: At River Run, North Carolina Colony, 1770. @Ahsoka anakin On which side of what? One of the most shocking moments from the Outlander novels comes in the seventh novel An Echo In The Bone when Claire has sex with Lord John Grey (David Berry). This discussion was about Jamie kissing Lord John on the lips. Because Jamie had been so hurt by Jack Randall, he could never consider giving into John. Comme dans les outlander, le monde est petit et les personnages se croisent et se recroisent ici et ailleurs, mais ce volume se lit bien. John tells Jamie about him sleeping with Claire when they thought he was dead at the beginning of book 8 and Jamie is ready to kill John for what he said and did but is stopped by continental soldiers. More quietly, he said, “Besides you cannot give me what you do not have.”. Eh bien la réponse est oui ! It's in chapter 59 of Voyager. It seems clear to me that, while kissing was and is certainly an intimate act, it has not always been viewed as only sexual. The scene as written is poignant and emotional; a heartbroken father begging a friend to care for his son as if he was his own, offering the one thing he thinks John would want – his body – despite his history, his viscious rape at the hands of Black Jack Randall. At this, Grey did laugh, in long gasping whoops, finally having to sit down on the grassy bank in order to recover himself. I am no longer engaged to Brianna Fraser, thanks be to God. “Aye, well,” he said. But John, who loves Jamie deeply, is a man of honour and cares more for their friendship. It’s a topic that has come up before. “Jamie, Lord John Kissing Scene Teased in New Season”. The things Lord John Grey felt for Jamie were some of the things Frank felt for Claire. Lord John Grey's love for Jamie Fraser is a central plot point and the most important one for many fans out there. Jamie doesn't take kindly to Lord John Grey's advances, in this clip from Season 3 Episode 3. “I didna mean to insult ye.”, Grey was not sure at this point whether to laugh or cry. “I shall see ye soon again,” he whispered. It could appear in it’s chronological place, in Episode 3, or it could appear as it does in the book as a flashback after Claire finds out about Willie in Jamiaca. “It’s getting late. Hal is about nine years older than John, and although it is unclear just how much older John's half-brothers are, John was about ten when Edgar m… Grey felt, rather than saw, the slight relaxation of tension in the tall body facing him. However, Lord John Grey came from a wealthy family. “Really, I should feel my honor most grossly insulted by that offer, save that I know the depth of feeling which prompted it.”, “Aye, well,” Jamie muttered. I have noted that non-book readers (and perhaps a few readers who may have forgotten) have commented that this would never happen. @Ahsoka anakin What do you mean by "on which side"? He doesn’t want Jamie on those terms, and he declines. “Aye, I am, “ he snapped, tight-lipped. I read the kiss as a compromise on Jamie’s part. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Ewan’s hand shook in his, but the Cameron only smiled. And so I think we can safely accept that the kiss will remain. That, of course, is too simplistic a view. ( Log Out /  Another incredible piece of writing from Diana Gabaldon. During their journey to Ireland, they began to repair the damage to their relationship, even while Jamie resented the Duke of Pardloe's high-handed use of him. “My dear Jamie,” he said, torn between laughter and exasperation. John's sexual attraction to Jamie complicates their relationship, but for the most part neither of them acknowledges or speaks of it. Lord John Grey Outlander. @La Dame Blanche The sexual attraction that Lord John feels for Jamie is mentioned one other time. “That I should live to hear an offer like that!”. Except for this scene, of course. He kissed him because he knew Lord John was in love with him, and he wanted to do something nice for him because Lord John is doing something beyond price for Jamie. “I … would be obliged to you.” Jamie sounded as though his collar were too tight, though in fact his shirt was open at the throat. 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